tunnelking
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I havent seen Berlin from the ground or from the air,and i plan on doing both before the war is over
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Post by tunnelking on Feb 24, 2005 7:55:33 GMT -5
Has anyone ever heard of the film The Great Escape II??
check this out Its the Great Escape II in wich Jud Taylor directs it and he was Goff in the original
And Donald Pleasence who was the mild manered forger now plays a nazi bad guy
The Great Escape II: The Untold Story
PLOT DESCRIPTION
Originally shown on television in two parts, the second of which takes place after WWII. Surviving escapee Major John Dodge (Christopher Reeve) is sent back to Germany by Winston Churchill to capture the Gestapo officer who ordered the machine-gunning of 50 of the captured escapees, in direct defiance of the Geneva convention. Donald Pleasance, one of the "good guys" in the original, plays the Nazi villain in the new version. Filmed in Yugoslavia, Great Escape II: The Untold Story was originally telecast November 6 and 7, 1988. ~ Hal Erickson, All Movie Guide
Has anyone ever seen it or if so do you like it??
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Post by Guest on Mar 3, 2005 14:03:41 GMT -5
I've not heard of this - but if the plot is as you say then it's as inacurate as the original movie. The 50 were not shot by machinegun but individually over several weeks in separate locations.
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tunnelking
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I havent seen Berlin from the ground or from the air,and i plan on doing both before the war is over
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Post by tunnelking on Mar 4, 2005 4:40:13 GMT -5
I dont really think you can say the original is that inaccurate  I mean the majority of the film is what happened in real life  |
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Post by Ebob on Mar 4, 2005 5:46:05 GMT -5
In fairness the film is very inaccurate - it tells the story, but it does so with hollywood excitement and comedy.
In the film it is permanently warm and sunny. In Poland it mostly rains and is sub-zero in winter.
In the film the breakout takes place on a nice day.
In reality it took nearly an hour to break through the last 6 inches because it was frozen solid and there was a foot of snow on the ground.
In the movie they go out through the bathroom floor.
In reality they went out from the tunnel that was under the cooker - the one they find in the movie.
In the movie the hut numbers are all wrong and the camp is much smaller about a quarter of the size with no appell ground area or theatre and the vorlarger is not fenced off. There are no surrounding camp areas - south camp east or west compounds.
In the movie there is a happy feeling and the POWs have a jolly raport with guards and appear well-fed, in reality camp life was dismal - and the guards could be harsh and the prisoners were often on starvation rations and very thin in appearance.
In the movie Steve McQueen - an American pilot escapes through the tunnel and rides his motor cylce to the border.
In reality - no Americans took part in the final escape.
In the movie Blythe goes blind - this is fiction.
In the movie the men are shot by machine gun at the end - in reality they were captured all over germany and france and were shot individually at the side of the road on the journey back to camp.
The movie is great - I love it, but accurate it is not. It tells the story, but it does so in an entertaining way - an accurate movie would be very dull to watch by comparison. The main part of the movie that everyone remembers is the motorcycle chase - which as we all know, never happened - especially not on a Triumph motorcycle! the Germans used BMWs mostly.
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Post by mieszkam on Mar 18, 2005 15:53:54 GMT -5
. In the film it is permanently warm and sunny. In Poland it mostly rains and is sub-zero in winter. I resent that statement ;D the temperatures here are not sub zero like moscow. but there are gennerally warm winters |
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Post by mieszkam on Mar 18, 2005 16:00:52 GMT -5
somewere around 1 or 2 degrease Cel. (spelling) which is i guess around zero if you think about it unles, ebob, you were speaking in Fer. which i dont really know
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Post by Ebob on Mar 19, 2005 6:33:50 GMT -5
I can only go by the first hand reports of the time, which are that certainly at the time of the escape there was more than a foot of snow on the ground and that the last 6 inches of soil took more than an hour to clear because it was frozen solid.
quote from prisoner:
"Conditions were appauling. It was a late spring, there was foot of snow on the ground it was freezing at night but thawing during the day, the rivers were swollen and we were quickly wet through."
Most photographs show the camp looking very bleak indeed and muddy - with POWs warpped in great coats. Quotes from the book suggest that digging had to stop during the winter months because the sand could not be dispersed over the snow.
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